tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.comments2022-12-10T02:33:50.951-06:00Lowcarbaramalowcarbaramahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-85351381517712596932010-07-13T07:46:44.981-05:002010-07-13T07:46:44.981-05:00I read Guns, Germs, and Steel. I don't plan to...I read Guns, Germs, and Steel. I don't plan to read Pandora's Seed.<br /><br />While "disease, craziness, and anomei" are certainly associated with agriculture, it's quite a leap to suggest that these undesirable consequences are caused by increased food production. Rather, it's the misuse of technology, ignorance, bad ideas, and greed that spawn the problems associated with increased food production.<br /><br />But ignoring warfare and social issues, mental and physical health are largely determined by the quality of the food supply. And the two components in food that really ruin brain and body are omega-6 and fructose, not carbohydrate intake. Consider, for example, the Kitava Study. There's plenty of food available, about 80 percent of adults are daily smokers, and they consume about 70 percent carbohydrate. Yet nobody dies from heart disease or stroke. http://www.staffanlindeberg.com/TheKitavaStudy.htmlDavid Brownhttp://nutritionscienceanalyst.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-90066104069385734332010-06-25T14:18:51.285-05:002010-06-25T14:18:51.285-05:00Hi Tiffany, I added your site to my lowcarbarama L...Hi Tiffany, I added your site to my lowcarbarama LC links. I love your site, have visited it many times! Always glad to help out a fellow SBIer, too. Lowcarbarama is not an SBI site (not yet, anyway, but give me time...), but how-to-cook-with-vesna.com is.Vesna VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13064900795747489085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-25881430024101389952010-06-25T14:05:35.035-05:002010-06-25T14:05:35.035-05:00Hi Vesna -
I'm a friend of Misty's. Woul...Hi Vesna - <br />I'm a friend of Misty's. Would love to be added to your list of low carb links if you find my site helpful. www.deliciously-thin.com<br /><br />Thanks for consideration!<br /><br />TiffanyTiffanyhttp://www.deliciously-thin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-79940217511902296682010-02-05T14:29:56.416-06:002010-02-05T14:29:56.416-06:00I read somewhere that Richard Dawkins should of ca...I read somewhere that Richard Dawkins should of called his book the Shellfish Gene. Too funny.<br />Great blog Vesna!Erika Bellhttp://erikabell.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-24627648039276727922009-10-30T10:10:26.850-05:002009-10-30T10:10:26.850-05:00I just discovered this wonderful site!
I find tha...I just discovered this wonderful site!<br /><br />I find that Laura Dolson Low-Carb site is great: she is thoughtful, knwledgeable and her recipes are terrific:<br />http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/bio/Laura-Dolson-17379.htm and it would be good to link to it.<br /><br />Thank you very much indeed for this incredible service to everybody!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-43154140420325557342009-09-10T04:10:44.253-05:002009-09-10T04:10:44.253-05:00"Hi:
Two things
1) I’d like your permission..."Hi:<br /><br />Two things<br /><br />1) I’d like your permission to (re)print your article on ‘Charlie Rose’for our website<br /><br />2) I was hoping we could use your ‘scribing’ talent for our website.<br /><br />The Best Shows Youre Not Watching (dot) com [all one word]<br />‘Charlie Rose’one of our featured shows. We’re hoping to round up a few people who can occasionally contribute perspective (via an article/blog) on the shows – maybe a recent episode, future direction, plot shortcomings etc.<br /><br />What’s in it for you?<br />Primarily a larger audience back channeled to your blog. We don’t pay but the site has a lot of promise and we're pretty excited about getting it off the ground. Let me know what you think.<br /><br />Thanks(Best Show)Watchhttp://www.thebestshowsyourenotwatching.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-42171499440977620332008-05-21T23:10:00.000-05:002008-05-21T23:10:00.000-05:00Intuitively and empirically* we know I.Q. is not d...Intuitively and empirically* we know I.Q. is not distributed equally among geographically distinct populations in the world. <BR/><BR/>The question as to why Europeans (IQ: 100) ended up dominating the world and not, for example, the people from Equatorial Guinea (IQ: 66!) is obvious.<BR/><BR/>Jared Diamond's omission of the biological explanation is inexcusable and oddly curious.<BR/><BR/>* <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations" REL="nofollow">IQ & Welath of Nations</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-67921717516765122222008-03-14T11:28:00.000-05:002008-03-14T11:28:00.000-05:00Pollan mentions Taubes in In Defense of Food, rath...Pollan mentions Taubes in <I>In Defense of Food</I>, rather dismissively, I thought. It wasn't completely clear to me whether he'd finished the book.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you - I'd love to see a panel-style discussion with Taubes and Pollan. I respect much of what Pollan has written, but it is abundantly clear that Taubes can kick Pollan's butt on the science. Of course, since what Pollan seems to be saying is that we don't need scientists to tell us what to eat, I'm not sure that he would be persuaded by the science anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-21933437530359211472008-03-07T12:00:00.000-06:002008-03-07T12:00:00.000-06:00Hi. This doesn't have to do with this post. I just...Hi. This doesn't have to do with this post. I just wanted to make you aware of Matt Stone's Sacred Self Blog at http://yoursacredself.blogspot.com/. I think you'll really appreciate his material.<BR/>Dave BrownAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-62472910485615545152008-02-24T06:46:00.000-06:002008-02-24T06:46:00.000-06:00Oops! I meant, "Their post dates are in such darn ...Oops! I meant, "Their post dates are in such darn small type, I couldn't even find them before posting a rant!" Or something like that...<BR/><BR/>The eating fat post appeared on CalorieLab May 21, 2007.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, Mark! Much appreciated.lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-61095723880603571062008-02-23T21:39:00.000-06:002008-02-23T21:39:00.000-06:00CalorieLab's post dates appear to the left of the ...CalorieLab's post dates appear to the left of the Comment link on the multi-post archives pages. On the single-post permalink pages, the date of the post is in the block of metadata, just above the comment and below the Related Posts and Google ad blocks.<BR/><BR/>Another way to see the date is to check the URL, which includes the date.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-35142444098508399652008-02-05T13:39:00.000-06:002008-02-05T13:39:00.000-06:00As a lapband patient that follows a LC lifestyle. ...As a lapband patient that follows a LC lifestyle. Please remember that a lapband is FAR different in risks and problems than a gastric bypass. Most people don't know this and just lump all weight loss surgery together. I'm not even saying it should be a first course of treatment for diabetes.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying everyone shouldn't try a low-carb diet as well, but some people truly have a saity defect where the hunger mechanism doesn't work correctly and this gives them a bit more control over that issue. :o)Low Carb Band-Ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16464909591754639325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-28136826714544640822008-02-01T16:59:00.000-06:002008-02-01T16:59:00.000-06:00Just when you think they can't get any more ridicu...Just when you think they can't get any more ridiculous - they do. Why can't they see it?Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17268626403040745983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-51832547356747138812008-01-30T23:57:00.000-06:002008-01-30T23:57:00.000-06:00We used to call that "The Arizona Repugnant". It'...We used to call that "The Arizona Repugnant". It's not worth the paper it's printed on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-27498155256128724892008-01-16T00:32:00.000-06:002008-01-16T00:32:00.000-06:00I took your advice and set up a blog at: http://nu...I took your advice and set up a blog at: http://nutritionscienceanalyst.blogspot.com/<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your help.<BR/>DaveDavid Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-61210831131172446012008-01-03T23:52:00.000-06:002008-01-03T23:52:00.000-06:00No, I don't have a website. I'm afraid it would st...No, I don't have a website. I'm afraid it would steal too much time away from my research and educational efforts. <BR/><BR/>One of my projects involves monthly messages to more than 120 Montana lawmakers both senators and representatives. It's a sort of lobbying experiment that I conduct from my home. My aim is to help lawmakers become more nutritionally savvy; something we all need.<BR/><BR/>I also send E-mail messages to hundreds of others. Mostly, I share information that has helped me better my understanding of nutritional issues.<BR/><BR/>DaveDavid Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-48094433135271221002008-01-03T23:21:00.000-06:002008-01-03T23:21:00.000-06:00David, thanks so much for the many suggestions. I ...David, thanks so much for the many suggestions. I will follow up with links as time permits.<BR/><BR/>Do you or your project have a Web site where we could learn more about your work?lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-64600919013222404722008-01-03T23:13:00.000-06:002008-01-03T23:13:00.000-06:00Indeed! I took the liberty of editing the above po...Indeed! I took the liberty of editing the above post to read "Framing" rather than "Phrasing."<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the comment!lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-39725176968152964292008-01-03T21:43:00.000-06:002008-01-03T21:43:00.000-06:00Good discussion here. I think you meant to say "Fr...Good discussion here. I think you meant to say "Framing the debate..." in the below (7th paragraph) sentence.<BR/><BR/>Phrasing the debate as one between composition and ease of adherence is what's known in informal logic as a "false dilemma."David Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-87086358221789771072008-01-03T21:24:00.000-06:002008-01-03T21:24:00.000-06:00For information about saturated fat I suggest you ...For information about saturated fat I suggest you Google the following:<BR/><BR/>Saturated fats: what dietary intake?<BR/><BR/>Corr: The low fat/low cholesterol diet is ineffective.<BR/><BR/>Re: Saturated Fats and Heart Health - Share the Wealth<BR/><BR/>PCC Sound Consumer | The surprising truth about saturated fats<BR/><BR/>Jeff S. Volek articles<BR/><BR/>Stephen D. Phinney articles<BR/><BR/>or just Google this combination of words: saturated fats truth benefits<BR/><BR/>I've been trying to stir things up here in Montana by confronting nutrition educators with the truth about saturated fat. For what it's worth, here is my latest message:<BR/><BR/>Dear _________:<BR/><BR/>I am a nutrition science analyst residing in Kalispell, Montana. I have two goals. I'm working for improvements in the quality of our food supply and for a some changes in the current nutritional guidelines used by the Montana Department of Health and Human Services.<BR/><BR/>Regarding current guidelines, if there's a doctrine that has achieved universal acceptance in the political arena, in public health, in medicine, and in the commercial sector, it's the idea that saturated fat is an artery-clogging health hazard.<BR/> <BR/>Over the past five decades this idea has spread about the globe. Here in the USA it has both undermined the health of Americans and caused politicians to squander unimaginable sums of taxpayer dollars. Arguably, it is the major reason why vascular diseases remain the number 1 cause of death in many developed countries.<BR/><BR/>This doctrine is also largely responsible for the current epidemic of type 2 diabetes among young and old alike. As for obesity, fear of developing clogged arteries prevents many from consuming the amount and kinds of fats that would promote weight loss.<BR/><BR/>Who adheres to this doctrine? Just about everybody; all the major health organizations including the American Medical Association, the American Heart Association, the American Dietetic Association, and the American Diabetes Association, federal government agencies such as the FDA, CDC, USDA, NIH, and HHS, the food manufacturing, sweeteners, and edible oils industries, vegetarian activists, and the CSPI. In addition, most schools of public health teach that saturated fat is a health hazard. Here is some documentation from various websites:<BR/><BR/>(Note: The following are merely examples of statements made by the organizations mentioned above. I don't expect you to click on the links unless you are curious to see those statements in context.)<BR/><BR/>Health Organizations<BR/><BR/>American Medical Association<BR/><BR/>"The Council is deeply concerned about any diet that advocates an 'unlimited' intake of saturated fats and cholesterol-rich foods."<BR/><BR/>American Heart Association<BR/><BR/>"Limit foods high in saturated fat, trans fat and/or cholesterol, such as whole-milk dairy products, fatty meats, tropical oils, partially hydrogenated vegetable oils and egg yolks. Instead choose foods low in saturated fat, trans fat and cholesterol."<BR/><BR/>American Dietetic Association: Nutrition standards ...)<BR/><BR/>"Although intake of fat and saturated fat has declined, it still is consumed in amounts that exceed recommendations."<BR/><BR/>"Healthy, growing children need a balanced diet that includes fruits, vegetables, whole grains, lean meats and/or legumes, and low-fat dairy products to achieve a dietary pattern that maintains appropriate blood cholesterol levels and optimal energy."<BR/><BR/>American Diabetes Association<BR/><BR/>"Everyone (emphasis mine) should eat less saturated fat. Saturated fat can raise your cholesterol level which increases your chances of having heart disease."<BR/><BR/>Government Agencies:<BR/><BR/>Food and Drug Administration<BR/><BR/>"Diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol increase total and low-density (bad) blood cholesterol levels and, thus, the risk of coronary heart disease."<BR/><BR/>U.S. Department of Agriculture<BR/><BR/>"Saturated fat raises blood cholesterol more than other forms of fat. Reducing saturated fat to less than 10 percent of calories will help you lower your blood cholesterol level."<BR/><BR/>Health and Human Services: New Dietary Guidelines<BR/><BR/>"Consume less than 10 percent of calories from saturated fatty acids and less than 300 mg/day of cholesterol..."<BR/><BR/>Center for Disease Control<BR/><BR/>"Although the findings in this report indicate a decline in the mean percentage of total fat energy intake derived from total dietary fat and from saturated fat, these intake levels remain higher than the year 2000 objective."<BR/><BR/>"The findings in this report can assist in tracking progress toward achieving the goals of public health initiatives aimed at reducing and modifying total dietary fat and saturated fat intakes."<BR/><BR/>National Institutes of Health<BR/><BR/>SATURATED FATS<BR/>"These are the biggest dietary cause of high LDL levels ("bad cholesterol"). When looking at a food label, pay very close attention to the percentage of saturated fat and avoid or limit any foods that are high. Saturated fat should be limited to 10% of calories. Saturated fats are found in animal products such as butter, cheese, whole milk, ice cream, cream, and fatty meats."<BR/><BR/>(Note: the above statement is blatantly false. Excessive refined carbohydrate consumption is the major cause of high LDL levels.)<BR/><BR/>Vegetarian Activists:<BR/><BR/>Physicians for Responsible Medicine<BR/><BR/>1. A Vegan Diet: Avoiding Animal Products<BR/>"Animal products contain fat, especially saturated fat, which is linked to heart disease, insulin resistance, and certain forms of cancer. These products also contain cholesterol, something never found in foods from plants."<BR/><BR/>GoVeg.com<BR/><BR/>"Well-planned vegetarian diets provide us with all the nutrients that we need, minus all the saturated fat, cholesterol, and contaminants found in animal flesh, eggs, and dairy products."<BR/><BR/>Center for Science in the Public Interest<BR/><BR/>"Senators Harkin and Murkowski plan to offer their school nutrition bill as an amendment to the Farm bill."<BR/><BR/>"Notably, the soft drink industry and many major food manufacturers are supporting, not opposing, the Harkin-Murkowski amendment. The amendment also is supported by 100 organizations, including the American Medical Association, American Public Health Association, American Dental Association, National PTA, American Association of School Administrators, and the American Federation of Teachers."<BR/><BR/>"The amendment also would set limits for calories, sodium, saturated fat and trans fat in school snacks."<BR/><BR/>Harvard School of Public Health<BR/><BR/>"Saturated fats raise total blood cholesterol levels more than dietary cholesterol because they tend to boost both good HDL and bad LDL cholesterol. The net effect is negative, meaning it's important to limit saturated fats."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Journals and mainstream press:<BR/><BR/>"The Journal of Nutrition"<BR/><BR/>"Saturated fat (SF) intake contributes to the risk of coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality."<BR/><BR/>"Science Daily"<BR/><BR/>"Dr. Carter emphasized he does not advocate strict low-carbohydrates for long-term weight management. Such diets may adversely overload the kidneys with protein and lead dieters to consume more artery-clogging saturated fats and cholesterol, he said."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Back to my comments:<BR/><BR/>As far as I can tell, the Montana Department of Health and Human Services is still using the Cardiovascular Disease State Plan adopted and implemented during the Racicot administration. The main focus is toward reducing cholesterol levels. Here are some excerpts from the report:<BR/><BR/>On page 13 one reads, "In 1999, Montanans who participated in a CVD telephone survey and who had high cholesterol were asked how they planned to decrease their cholesterol levels.The most common responses were to reduce their fat intake and increase their exercise levels."<BR/><BR/>On page 22 one reads, "Educate patients who have high cholesterol or who have had a myocardial infarction about the AHA and National Cholesterol Education Program guidelines for managing high cholesterol."<BR/><BR/>Page 27 "HP2010 Objective - Fat intake: Increase to at least 75% the proportion of persons aged 2 and older who consume no more than 30% if calories from fat."<BR/><BR/>Page 28 "Promote 1% (milk) as the standard to be served in Montana Schools."<BR/><BR/>As it has become increasingly apparent that government agencies at the federal level are either controlled or heavily influenced by special interests such as the food manufacturing, edible oils, sweeteners, and beverage industries, I suggest that MSU help the Montana Department of Health and Human Services develop its own dietary guidelines and strategies for prevention of chronic diseases based on the best science available. Current recommendations aimed at persuading Montanans to eat fewer calories (by restricting fat calories) and exercise more (MT NAPA) reflect an inadequate understanding of factors such as biochemical variability and fat and carbohydrate metabolism. When time permits, please take a look at this podcast (The Quality of Calories: What Makes Us Fat and Why Nobody Seems to Care) of a recent lecture by science writer Gary Taubes delivered at the University of California Berkeley. I also encourage you to read the book (Good Calories, Bad Calories) which will take considerably more time as it consists of 550 pages of text and 100 pages of notes.<BR/><BR/>At the grass roots level there are a number of us attempting to re-educate the public regarding what constitutes proper and appropriate nutrition. Except for the fat vs carb issue, our message differs little from what is currently being taught by dietitians and nutritionists in public health.<BR/><BR/>David Brown<BR/>Nutrition Education ProjectDavid Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-50508381765855014372008-01-03T08:28:00.000-06:002008-01-03T08:28:00.000-06:00David -- any suggestions for names of or links to ...David -- any suggestions for names of or links to more great articles and books that explode the saturated fat myths would be greatly appreciated! This site is still very new, and much is missing, for sure. Thanks again for reading and commenting. :)lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-502817855630819572008-01-01T21:02:00.000-06:002008-01-01T21:02:00.000-06:00I did see that show. I don't remember Taubes laugh...I did see that show. I don't remember Taubes laughing about the registry. He did, however, smile a little when Dr. Oz mentioned being hungry all the time and having to consume nuts throughout the day to assuage his hunger.<BR/><BR/>I hope you can find time to explore the saturated fat controversy. It's far more important than the exercise controversy.<BR/><BR/>DaveDavid Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-13632388475290980752008-01-01T19:22:00.000-06:002008-01-01T19:22:00.000-06:00Great comment, David. Very interesting info on the...Great comment, David. Very interesting info on the NWR. As well as on the (seeming, anyway) conundrum of exercise and weight loss.<BR/><BR/>Did you see Taubes on the Larry King Live show? When Dr. Mehmet Oz brought up the National Weight Register, Taubes practically laughed him out of the studio.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for visiting!lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-80266098922444093032008-01-01T11:02:00.000-06:002008-01-01T11:02:00.000-06:00There's quite a controversy as to the efficacy of ...There's quite a controversy as to the efficacy of exercise for weight control. Proponents of the exercise hypothesis often refer to the National Weight Control Registry and associated research articles as proof of the benefits of the high exercise, low calorie approach.<BR/><BR/>But those who insist that exercise is essential for weight loss often fail to mention that "98% of Registry participants report that they modified their food intake in some way to lose weight." It is quite likely that many of them improved the quality of their food intake by cutting back on or eliminating refined carbohydrates and adding fruits, vegetables, nuts, and whole grains to their dietary regimen. These changes alone would result in lower insulin levels and promote weight loss. Add exercise (94% increased their physical activity) which further reduces insulin levels and, in many cases, more fat is removed from fat stores.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting that the founders of the National Weight Control Registry do not provide statistics as to how many members consume a low calorie, low fat diet. What they say is, "There is variety in how NWCR members keep the weight off. Most report continuing to maintain a low calorie, low fat diet while maintaining high levels of physical activity." <BR/><BR/>The Registry was established in 1994 and is currently tracking less than 6,000 individuals. Most of these individuals signed on before low-carbing became popular. Prior to the year 2000 the overwhelming majority of individuals trying to lose weight were inundated with negative messages about fat in general and saturated fat in particular. Thus, the low-carb (usually Atkins) approach was viewed with suspicion by nearly everyone who tried it because of the high percentage of fat intake allowed. No wonder so many did not stick with the program. <BR/><BR/>Even today, most health organizations and government agencies demonize saturated fat despite the fact that research over the past five decades has consistently indicated that saturated fat is not a health hazard. <BR/><BR/>An important consideration in both weight control and overall health is the fact that there are tremendous variations in both biochemical and physiological makeup that determine the sort of approach that will be effective for any given person. Some people achieve weight loss simply by cutting calories; others simply by exercising more. Still others modify their diets and lose weight with or without exercise. Then there are those who switch to the vegan approach and find success. And, finally, there are those who find that lowering their overall carbohydrate intake and increasing protein and/or fat intake helps them control their weight. <BR/><BR/>All of these elements work for certain individuals. But exercise is not an essential ingredient in the weight loss formula unless carbohydrate intake needs to be compensated for.<BR/><BR/>David Brown<BR/>Kalispell, Montana<BR/>Nutrition Education ProjectDavid Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16372232359108968083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3947348775008800118.post-60511185576336425742007-12-14T18:09:00.000-06:002007-12-14T18:09:00.000-06:00Gobs of Taubes! I love it! I think he pronounces i...Gobs of Taubes! I love it! I think he pronounces it to rhyme with "How now, brown cow," though. That's how Joy Behar pronounced it on the Larry King Live show. Which reminds me that I need to link to YouTube from that.<BR/><BR/>I love Gobs of Taubes anyway.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for visiting, Art D.!lowcarbaramahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11804337790359927782noreply@blogger.com